Jack hamm golf swing in slow motion

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Slow Motion Reheasal swings--the best way?

#2

Originally Posted by Larryrsf

I don't know why it has taken this long for me to realize that my teaching pro is absolutely right, that the ONLY way to learn a new golf swing is slow motion repetitions. He said he learned like that--

And that is what Harvey Penick made his college golf teams do.

Slow motion repetitions train the subconscious mind as well as the conscious. And since the golf swing is a combination of both-- should be very effective. We certainly know that trying to change anything while making full swings is futile, we just keep doing the same old thing--and next Saturday morning there it is again!

So I intend to do it exactly like I have been taught-- in slow motion hundreds of times if necessary, slowly increasing speed until my full swing is what I do very slowly.

That is certainly the way we learn a new tune on the guitar, violin, piano, etc. We play the notes slowly and then increase to tempo as our fingers "learn" the music.

So this is what I do.

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It is easy to make small changes. Not sure how many repetitions and how long it will take to ingrain this swing-- but who cares? This is January in S. California.

Larry

Do PGA tour pros do slow motion drills? The problem with a slow motion drill and the golf swing is the fact that it resembles nothing of the swing at full speed. Why practice something that doesn't exist? That's like practicing throwing a football in slow motion. Slow motion drills make the swing mechanicaland that's the last thing you want in a golf swing. Take it from a great ballstrikeryou know nothing of which you speak.

#3

The slow motion drill is cool but doing it with a ball is not because there is not enough club speed to get the ball in the air, no matter how technically perfect the swing in slow motion is. You have a really nice looking property. If it were mine, I would rotate the hitting area 90 degrees so that the net is between you and the pool giving you much more backswing room. If it were mine, I would hang a piece of heavy canvas or heavy plastic tarp just behind the netting so that a well struck ball would make a gunshot sound. The harder the louder. I had a net setup like that and when I caught my driver real good at +, the impact sounded like a cal from an M Of course the neighbors would get spooked figuring I was actually firing an M-1 until they looked over their fences. Of course if I were actually firing a rifle, it would be heavily suppressed and they'd never hear a thing. By having a ball in the way of that slo-mo practice swing, all you are ingraining is a cold-top at Sam Peckinpah speed. Mongrel out.

#4

That swing looks like nothing is in sync. Even in a slow motion swing, you should move everything together.

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#7

Originally Posted by famousdavis

Do PGA tour pros do slow motion drills? The problem with a slow motion drill and the golf swing is the fact that it resembles nothing of the swing at full speed. Why practice something that doesn't exist? That's like practicing throwing a football in slow motion. Slow motion drills make the swing mechanicaland that's the last thing you want in a golf swing. Take it from a great ballstrikeryou know nothing of which you speak.

They all learn in slow motion and stopped poses. The Impact Bag is a good example. I have seen baseball pitch coaching and I have had a LOT of tennis stroke coaching. That is also how we learn to play musical instruments. There is just no other way to learn a motion that occurs faster than we can consciously control.

Just get it EXACTLY right in slow motion, then slowly increase the speed and ensure you keep the form.

Larry

#8

Originally Posted by mongrel

The slow motion drill is cool but doing it with a ball is not because there is not enough club speed to get the ball in the air, no matter how technically perfect the swing in slow motion is. You have a really nice looking property. If it were mine, I would rotate the hitting area 90 degrees so that the net is between you and the pool giving you much more backswing room. If it were mine, I would hang a piece of heavy canvas or heavy plastic tarp just behind the netting so that a well struck ball would make a gunshot sound. The harder the louder. I had a net setup like that and when I caught my driver real good at +, the impact sounded like a cal from an M Of course the neighbors would get spooked figuring I was actually firing an M-1 until they looked over their fences. Of course if I were actually firing a rifle, it would be heavily suppressed and they'd never hear a thing. By having a ball in the way of that slo-mo practice swing, all you are ingraining is a cold-top at Sam Peckinpah speed. Mongrel out.

When I want to hit full shots, I go to the driving range. When I want to rehearse the motion in slow motion and stopped poses, I can do it right here, about 5 steps outside my office beside the pool there.

Larry

#9

Larry, I used to play piano for years when I was younger. The only time I did anything in slow motion was when a part was complicated. Do it slow to hear all the correct notes and note how your fingers are supposed to work. Then play it at normal speed, then play it as fast as you want. If you can get the timing down at as fast as you can, going back at a normal speed is easy. Doing it at a slow speed only made it worse. Yeah I'd hit the notes, but anyone can play a Beethoven symphony when doing it one note at a time. Doesn't do you much good when the song's meant to be flowing and at a particular speed.

I would played it slow maybe twice. It sounded stupid and was nothing like the real song. I learned better at a normal speed or fast, but changing the beat of the song, ala waltz, syncopated, or at a stacatto.

#10

Originally Posted by famousdavis

Do PGA tour pros do slow motion drills? The problem with a slow motion drill and the golf swing is the fact that it resembles nothing of the swing at full speed. Why practice something that doesn't exist? That's like practicing throwing a football in slow motion. Slow motion drills make the swing mechanicaland that's the last thing you want in a golf swing. Take it from a great ballstrikeryou know nothing of which you speak.

Harvey Penick?? My teaching pro said he learned his swing fairly quickly doing it slow rather than beating full shots. He still does that. I see the other teaching pros working on their own swings in slow motion and studying stopped poses and backswing positions. So yes, the best do it like that. Here he is in slow motion, he made this video for me to study.


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Larry

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Originally Posted by edgey

Tai Chi golf is back. Legendry stuff

WHERE IS KIWI

Edgey

He need not worry, I saved the video just in case.

Side note, hips spin out, shoulders stop, flip to square the clubface. Good stuff Larry.

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If this isn't on the same wavelength as Tai Chi I might as well delete it. I'm pretty disappointed actually. I've never see Tai Chi :/

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Originally Posted by Mward

Larry, I used to play piano for years when I was younger. The only time I did anything in slow motion was when a part was complicated.

Well duh! The golf swing is a combination of both conscious and subconscious motions. How "complicated" is that? Even virtuoso instrumentalists play at the conscious level.

In the golf swing, many of the necessary moves are NOT "natural," i.e. shoulders moving before hips. That is OTT. So golfers must first learn and then ingrain a series of moves that are against their natural instincts and common sense!

And since 99% never become able to break , fail to hit fairways and greens, most never develop a decent golf swing. World statistics indicate that amateur golfers are getting WORSE, not better even with great new equipment, better balls, and manicured golf courses. Ergo, our teaching and/or learning method is at fault.

Maybe Harvey Penick understood that. Regardless, he enjoyed among the most success of college golf team coaches of his day. He turned out several world-class champion golfers. Most college golf teams never even turn out a player who can get a PGA card.

So Mr. Penick's methods deserve another look. And slow motion swings were an important part of his program. So was using ONLY short irons on the range with rare use of driver.

Larry

#21

Originally Posted by alangbaker

That swing—the swing in that video—that's the one you want to ingrain?

LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Most people Alan Baker's age are working instead of sitting on his fat AZZ typing nonsense into a golf discussion forum. Does anyone want to bet whether Alan Baker will turn out to be a success in life? Anyone? I would give to-1 odds against! No limit on the wager amount! I really expect him to eventually become that wino sitting in the doorway

His mother must be distraught-- still giving him money for food and rent with no end in sight. If she were to drop over today, what would she catch him doing? Someone should print out his posts for the day--and mail them to her.

Larry

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#29

Originally Posted by oldplayer

You know you shouldn't tease Kiwi about this.
It still is a major dissapointment to him that he was away "only a few days" (in his own words) and he missed one of the landmark moments on GR.
We were sitting in the clubhouse having a drink after our game last week and he felt compelled to bring the subject up again and rue the loss.
You could see the pain in his face.

Shame you didn't get his response on the video. That too would have been a GR classic.

#30

darn! I usually elicit 4 or more angry responses! Those selfish hogs of the bandwidth for his personal vendetta are the Internet version of feces.

Fun stuff! And the best part is the moron doesn't even know he is being played like a banjo. Like a real chimp, you can tell him your're doing that and he STILL blows up! Free entertainment! Thanks fish.

Larry

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#35

Originally Posted by Horseballs

Larry, I'd like your honest opinion on a golf theory I've been moonlighting for the past years. Bear in mind, it is diametrically opposed to your theory.
When practicing, shouldn't you perform a more difficult version? Think about it, when training for a 5K race, people practice 1/4 mile splits at a pace much faster than their race pace, in order to push the envelope. When practicing karate, didn't Daniel-san practice blindfolded against Miyagi?
I feel it is of utmost importance to practice a more difficult version of the golf swing, so that the real swing seems easy. I try to swing as fast as possible, sometimes blindfolded, using a blade 3 iron, hitting a ball out of a buried lie in the rough. The real game seems easy compared to my practice. Sure, anyone can swing in slow mo and look good. Ingrain a pure strike while swinging out of your shoes with a blade 3 iron and you're on the path to truly great golf. Thoughts?

Nope. I did that for years. Then when I saw my swing on video it was horrible, I had made a poor turn back and finished my backswing with arms, got it way over the swing plane. The problem was the tempo! I did it too fast to do it right!

So take a lesson. Have the pro slowly step you through the backswing and ensure you reach the right top position. Ensure you start down with the correct move in order to allow you to accelerate the clubbhead through the ball.

Feel it, memorize it and even establish check points or landmarks that you can use when doing it alone to ensure you are doing it right. We all know the backswing check points, having the clubshaft aligned with the target, getting the club shaft almost vertical, and then swing the clubhead straight back to point the butt of the club at the ball so we bring it down and under to the ball.

When doing it in slow motion you are going to discover that the golf swing is FAR harder than doing it fast, when you can sorta gloss over your balance mistakes. You MUST learn where your weight is, and especially where your weight must be in order to accelerate through and finish the swing!!! You will find yourself first establishing the *tilt* that pros do, and engaging your front hip joint in advance.

You'll learn much more. Do it and find out.

Larry

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Originally Posted by Larryrsf

darn! I usually elicit 4 or more angry responses! Those selfish hogs of the bandwidth for his personal vendetta are the Internet version of feces.

Fun stuff! And the best part is the moron doesn't even know he is being played like a banjo. Like a real chimp, you can tell him your're doing that and he STILL blows up! Free entertainment! Thanks fish.

Larry